Studies suggest that it may also help prevent and reduce back pain. When I experienced knee pain, hip dominant movements were the most reliable to minimize or eliminate pain while still exercising with some intensity. Maintaining enough ‘knees out’ will also work to get your glutes involved and is paramount to a good sumo … Your feet need to be wide and your toes need to be out facing the bar so that your Angle of Q is optimal. The Sumo Deadlift — Here’s the Right Way Set Your Stance. It's no unbearable, but I don't want the injury getting worse. This was also reflected in another deadlift study Escamilla did, looking at EMG data. Any questions/comments related to nSuns related programs should be directed to the /r/fitness Daily Simple Questions Threads. Poor soft tissue quality in the areas of can be a contributing factor to hip pain due to the mobility demands of a sumo deadlift. Press J to jump to the feed. Adductors. Is there a specific foot angle I should have to avoid this? When you perform a conventional deadlift, your spinal erectors are used more where as the sumo deadlift is very quadricep based in comparison. I usually angle a bit wider than a squat, so my feet are about 60 degrees. This is unlikely to be related to the knee unless there are unusually large forces. Report Save. The sumo style worked out great, and my lift numbers shot back up easy. Until this goes away? This is very evident when you do a lift above knee height. If you're feeling it on the outside of your knee, my guess is you need to point your toes out more. Heavy deadlifts will strengthen these muscles along with the accompanying tendons and ligaments that support the knee joint resulting in a stronger and more stable joint. So should i skip all forms of leg exercises e.g. Whether you are recovering from an injury, lifting for fun or following a sport-specific program to enhance your performance, adding a deadlift variation can help you make big improvements! Since the glutes are larger, and more powerful, they can handle the increased training volume when compared to the lower back. Slight knee pain after sumo deadlift I am doing nsuns 5day variant, and last week after doing sumo deadlift my left knee feels a bit of pain when there's pressure on it. Because the knees are pushed backward, the stress going through them is much different from in the squat in a way that causes fewer problems. Go figure, eh. Just try to use some common sense, but more importantly, its your training, do what YOU want. Press J to jump to the feed. Remedies to Inside Knee Pain During Deadlifting “If the problem is overtraining, rest is the best remedy, and then reduce reps and frequency of workouts. Due to the foot placement in the sumo deadlift, the athlete must achieve greater knee flexion angles (bend) to perform the sumo deadlift. At the time I was doing squat, and only deadlifted once in a while, but started to have knee pain due to squat. However, the sumo deadlift is often times the contender for second most aggravating movement. The sumo deadlift seems to be able to withstand more volume in a training block or cycle than deadlifting with a conventional stance. When the bar broke the ground, knee moment was approximately 3x higher for sumo deadlifts than conventional deadlifts. I had the pain on my inner knees. Rectus Femoris. The deadlift is a phenomenal exercise to develop posterior chain strength. You need pretty good flexibility in the groin to be able to do sumo deadlifts. I've found that most problems associated with deadlifting are low-back related. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. JeffC Level 7 Valued Member. Read the program outline, read the r/fitness wiki, and choose whichever accessories that YOU want to go with it. Instead, the typical culprit is the forward torso lean when getting set over the bar. Your feet don't need to be as wide as possible, and your lower back and knees shouldn't hurt as a result. Getting pain in the sumo deadlift? If I let them buckle even a little I'd feel it. I use it a lot with people with jumpers knee and other anterior knee pain issues. it's a dull ache on the outside of the right knee. Went to Sumo and worked up to the same 405 and got stuck again, but Sumo felt like it wouldn't be as, what's the word real men don't use when they lift heavy things they don't have any real reason for lifting . It's also grown in popularity among powerlifters over the years because it shortens the distance the bar has to travel and also (as a general rule of thumb) allows lifters to get more out of their deadlift (or squat) suits when pulling. A subreddit for general weight training discussion, focused on intermediate level and above in experience and strength, for those ranging from strength sport competitors, sports that benefit from weight training, or weight training enthusiasts. Or for people to tell /u/WeaponizedSleep to eat more. I keep reading different perspectives. Hip pain or knee pain every time you do the sumo deadlift? Even more if youre pulling the bar in that position from even lower, like you do with deficit sumo deadlifts. Work with lighter weights to perfect your technique before moving to heavier loads. Really happy with how my sumo is skyrocketing and my knee is holding up. One of the best things you can do for your joints is to exercise them. This is especially apparent in the knee and hip extensors when you perform the lift, this means that the demands for the different muscles will change accordingly. Hip Internal/External Rotators. The spine being the key area for neural transmission, when it's "threatened" there's a much more important stress response and the nervous and hormonal systems are pushed much harder to resist to that stress. I'm going hard tomorrow -- what should I pull? You are doing the Sumo Deadlift WRONG if you push your hips back first. Philippe Geoffrion Level 6 Valued Member. Psychologically intimidating because I had repeatedly screwed my back when younger doing reg deadlifts. A logical reason for this is that the sumo stance utilizes less lower back musculature and more of the glutes. deadlift, squat and any accessories that include my legs. Would a general rule of thumb for sumo-style be to always have a wider angle than for your squats? Without enough flexibility to keep your knees out, many people will complain about knee pain pulling sumo. YMMV but I had the same issue with sumos so I just switched them out for deficit deadlifts and haven't had any issues since, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Get your toes pointed towards the plates so that your femur and kneecap are in line with your toes. The sumo style worked out great, and my lift numbers shot back up easy. In the sumo deadlift this pain is also felt right in the front of the […] Your hips shouldn't drop to the level of your knees. This is mostly true for a conventional deadlift; a sumo deadlift provides a lot less spinal loading. If you find that heavy deadlifts do hurt your knees, chances are you're using an incorrect technique. As discussed in the previous article, when you’ve got some hip pain, the squat can be the most painful movement in the gym word 2013 herunterladen. 34. share. I think the pain is coming from the big and heavy stretch in the hips you get with pulling sumo deficit. This. The problem is when I practiced with bodyweight, and lifted with real weight I'm feeling pain in my right knee for a few days after. Sumo requires, just like the squat, for you to keep your knees tracking out over the toes. Walking is going to have a faster rate of pace. I don't have knee pain or cracking/popping anymore. yeah, that proverb. The knee shouldn't hit the blue line that signifies the imaginary pane of glass: The image would be more powerful from the side angle, but the plates obscure the lower leg and foot from that perspective, unfortunately. Deadlift the bar from the ground building speed pushing through the heels; Aggressively extend the hips and follow through into a shrug keeping the arms long; Arms begin to bend after the shrug keeping the path of the bar tight to the body with the elbows high and outside the bar No problems at Reddit. EMG readings for the quads (vastus lateralis and medialis) were higher in the sumo deadlift than the conventional deadlift. Jul 13, 2019 #3 Topic starts at 12:10. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. 605 600 was “very ugly” and 605 was […] I was so excited I forgot to test my conventional afterward. Posterior knee pain is pain on the back of the knee when deadlifting This is when asked to point to where your knee hurts when deadlifting, and you point to the back of your knee. it's a dull ache on the outside of the right knee. The Sumo deadlift is one variation of the conventional deadlift where a barbell (although, there are different ways to do it) is most commonly utilized to pull massive poundages. Sumo deadlifts are great for forcing your knees out, it is the only way they can go. deadlift, squat and any accessories that include my legs. This sub has been closed. . Knee Pain + Sumo Deadlift. I am doing nsuns 5day variant, and last week after doing sumo deadlift my left knee feels a bit of pain when there's pressure on it. 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